Friday, February 22, 2008

One Of The Best Commercials Ever

13 comments:

Anonymous said...

That was one of the most nauesating 'commercials' I have ever seen.

'Thank you'?

Thank you for not thinking and blindly obeying orders?
Thank you for murdering 1,000,000 civilians?
Thank you for being the instrument that has caused america to become the most hated country on the earth?

I think not.

This is propaganda, of the most slick, and sickening kind.

To top it off, it is brought to you by a brewery; welcome to corporate america, where the Fascist propaganda is not produced by the government, but is produced by the REAL GOVERNMENT of america - the multi-national CORPORATIONS.

America is finished. It is over. It is done.

Judy Aron said...

You know what anonymous - I may not always agree with my country's foreign policy and where government leaders send our military and why they send them - but I respect that these men and women put their lives on the line, and are called away from their family, and that they choose to serve this country.

I do say thank you to the people in uniform. You do not have to - and that is the freedom that we enjoy in this country.

Sorry, but we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

If this is propaganda, then let's hope all of our military can come home like those depicted in the commercial, and away from harms way.

Coming home safe and alive is good.

Anonymous said...

I agree, coming home safe and alive is good...Now lets bring them all home from where they never should have invaded in the first place...

BTW see any of Mitt's kids in this video? Bushes? Cheney's? Rumfield? Gonzalez? (Condolezza Rice gets a pass).
Only McCain has one that served

Heather_in_WI said...

Oh! Tears in my eyes. Thanks for sharing.

Elisheva Hannah Levin said...

Hi, Judy,

I saw the commercial during the Superbowl two years ago, when my nephew was serving in Iraq on his second tour of duty. It was good to see it again, now that he is home safe and sound.

There were volunteers who greeted him and his buddies at the airport in Atlanta when he finally came home. They were just citizens who understood that he had made significant sacrifices to serve his country, and that he deserved thanks.

Anonymous would tell you that my nephew blindly obeyed orders, and would doubtless have other nasty names--perhaps left over from the Vietnam era--to call him. He (and we) would disagree. He understands that although our country is not perfect, and our leaders are not saints, it is a damn sight place to go out from and return to than many another place in the world. He also understands that there are people in the world who would like to do us harm, to destroy what we have, imperfect as it may be.

I hope that soon we can bring all of the troops home, and that we can thank them for their service, soon and in our days. And I further hope that we, citizens all, can see the good that dwells in the hearts of our fellow countrymen and women, and that through our efforts, we can build our nation to be ever more ready to "proclaim liberty throughout the land and unto all inhabitants thereof." Again, may it be soon and in our day.

Thanks for the reminder that although my nephew is home, there are those who are still over there. And they do deserve our thanks.

Anonymous said...

He also understands that there are people in the world who would like to do us harm, to destroy what we have, imperfect as it may be.

Oh no, its the, "they hate our freedom" line. This is a lie. No one wants to destroy america without reason, as you imply here. And as for 'what you have', you don't even understand what that is, since you support undeclared wars started at the behest of oil companies. You do not understand your own constitution, your own history and why everyone in the world once held the usa in such high regard.

It is people like you that have destroyed that country; well meaning good hearted people who are completely and blissfully ignorant about everything that matters in both the domestic and international political spheres.

Your inability to think critically, your blinkered jingoism masquerading as patriotism and one sided concern for life is, frankly, astonishing. The evil which that 'commercial' represents has nothing to do with the (entirely correct) wish to bring soldiers home unharmed. It has everything to do with a warfare state and the corrosive effect it has on the good people of america.

I hope that soon we can bring all of the troops home, and that we can thank them for their service, soon and in our days. And I further hope that we, citizens all, can see the good that dwells in the hearts of our fellow countrymen and women, and that through our efforts, we can build our nation to be ever more ready to "proclaim liberty throughout the land and unto all inhabitants thereof." Again, may it be soon and in our day.

Those soldiers who come home intact should be welcomed with a pat on the head and the words, "its not your fault, its ours. please forgive us, we failed you", because it is you, the blind, savage electorate that twice elected a proven liar and his venal puppet-master to office, causing the deaths of untold thousands and changed the history of the world.

Thanks for the reminder that although my nephew is home, there are those who are still over there. And they do deserve our thanks.

The first part of paying for a crime is contrition. Americans steadfastly refuse to admit that they have committed mass murder in Iraq. We have learned nothing, and this is why John McCain is doing so well. America is hell bent on destroying itself, and even the well meaning are a part of it. That is what is so frightening. People like you, who are clearly decent, caring and thoughtful are so utterly brainwashed that you believe that murder is a right and proper thing to do. The worst part of all of this is that the shining example that america was and that the world needed and needs so badly is now gone from this earth, thanks in part to you.

What a terrible shame.

Elisheva Hannah Levin said...

Anonymous:

I do not imply that you are ignorant or benighted simply because I disagree with you. You are quite rude in your certainty that you are right on all counts, and that anyone who disagrees with you must be either stupid or evil.

I am well aware that this is an undeclared war, although I disagree that is primarily about oil. I would say that it has more to do with GWB's incompetent leadership, and a messianism that is quite troubling.

I do not think that "they hate us for our freedom", it was you who put those words in my mouth, but I do think that there are people in the world who would like to do us harm--as was demonstrated on 9/11--and I do not think that abjectly apologizing for who we are, good and bad, is going to change that. In dealing with ideologues on a much more local basis, I have learned that if you give in to their demands, they will demand more and more.

You blame me for GWB's being president, and that is quite untrue as I did not help elect him either time. I am very uncomfortable with his neoconservatism, his fiscal irresponsibility and many other decisions he has made, as well as his rash rush to the war in Iraq, and his mishandling of it once he started it. In religious terms, I view it as a "king's war," one not entered into for the purpose of defense, and therefore one that need not be supported by the citizens. However, I have a different view of Afganistan.

And in blaming the electorate of this nation, you seem to miss the fact that GWB won by a very small margin, that nearly half the electorate did not vote for him. And then there are those who voted third party, or did not vote at all--some out of despair for lack of a real choice.

Finally, you remind me once again, that when a person chooses to make the perfect the enemy of the good, despair is not far behind. America has been a shining example of what can be accomplished, and yet is not, and never will be perfect, because people simply are not perfect.

I will end by saying that I am probably naive in replying to you at all. You have the hallmarks of a troll or someone spoiling for a fight, and the desperate rudeness of someone certain of your rightness and holiness by virtue of that certainty.
And I wonder why you don't have the courage to write under your own name, since you obviously have the annointed truth.

Judy Aron said...

Elisheva - Thank you for your civil comments and your thoughtful and reasoned perspective, and the courage that you have to use your name and not hide behind anonymity.

Anonymous said...

You are quite rude in your certainty that you are right on all counts, and that anyone who disagrees with you must be either stupid or evil.

The only thing that matters in this is that people are being murdered. When we take that into consideration, words pale into insignificance.

The american government has been 100% wrong in what it has done, and the population is responsible for it.

I am well aware that this is an undeclared war, although I disagree that is primarily about oil. I would say that it has more to do with GWB's incompetent leadership, and a messianism that is quite troubling.

I essentially agree. The soldiers are not to blame for this, and to a certain extent, neither is the population of america. The Neocons have staged a brilliant bloodless coup, and used our country as an instrument of war. What I am saying is that when we deal with the effects of this, we should not descend into mawkish emotions manipulated by foul propaganda. That is how america got itself into this mess in the first place.

I do not think that "they hate us for our freedom", it was you who put those words in my mouth, but I do think that there are people in the world who would like to do us harm--as was demonstrated on 9/11--and I do not think that abjectly apologizing for who we are, good and bad, is going to change that.

If you truly believe that then, you are part of the problem.

To say that 'there are people out there who want to harm us, like on 911' without any context, without any acknowledgment that america is responsible for the blowback that causes attacks, implies that america is blameless for 911, that it is entirely without fault, and that people are simply 'out there' wanting to attack america for no reason whatsoever, other than that they want to harm america. This is simply not the case, you know it, and using words in that way is code for 'they hate our freedoms'. You are right and wrong about "abjectly apologizing for who we are, good and bad". Apologizing will not be enough; america must completely withdraw its military from the world. Everyone has had enough of its false words and murderous actions.

In dealing with ideologues on a much more local basis, I have learned that if you give in to their demands, they will demand more and more.

Who is demanding what from america? All everyone in the world wants is for our army to stay inside our borders and for our government to not start wars. No one wants anything more than that. No one 'wants to harm us' or to 'destroy our way of life'; that is arrant nonsense and Neocon propaganda. You are implying by the above that the people who 'attacked america on 911', on the international level, are ideologues (mirroring the ones you deal with on the local level) who have demands that they want america to give in to, and that if america does, they will want more and more. What you are implying is that america has to 'stay the course' otherwise, those people will demand more and more of us. This is a total lie, as used to justify america's continued entrenchment in the middle east. It is more code language. What amazes me is that there are still people who believe this so deeply that they can repeat it without question. Or maybe they are doing it knowing exactly what they are saying.

You blame me for GWB's being president, and that is quite untrue as I did not help elect him either time.

I did not mean to imply that. I used the word 'you' in the collective when I should not have. Sorry.

I am very uncomfortable with his neoconservatism,

This I cannot believe I am afraid, since you talk just like a 'soft neocon'.

his fiscal irresponsibility and many other decisions he has made, as well as his rash rush to the war in Iraq,

Entering Iraq at any speed would have been unjustified.

However, I have a different view of Afganistan.

If this view has anything to do with 911, then....but I won't put words into your mouth; you will have to explain it yourself.

And in blaming the electorate of this nation, you seem to miss the fact that GWB won by a very small margin, that nearly half the electorate did not vote for him. And then there are those who voted third party, or did not vote at all--some out of despair for lack of a real choice.

The electorate is as responsible for getting rid of that monster as they are for putting him in office. That man is a criminal, and he should have been impeached long ago. Americans are responsible for their attitude towards all of this, and this goes back to the 'commercial'; at the very least, americans should not be buying into propaganda, if they have no means to change their government. At least then there would be an outward sign that they are not being hoodwinked and herded like sheep, at least then an argument can be made that they are not to blame for all of this. But when we hear that decent intelligent people shed tears at propaganda, any shred of sympathy for the 50% that did not vote for bush and his wars becomes a difficult proposition. Americans are not up in arms about this; that is the problem. They are busy crying over TV ads! It is ABSOLUTELY INFURIATING!

Finally, you remind me once again, that when a person chooses to make the perfect the enemy of the good, despair is not far behind. America has been a shining example of what can be accomplished, and yet is not, and never will be perfect, because people simply are not perfect.

This is more code speech. What we are discussing is imperialism and mass murder. If it was america who was being invaded and colonized in this way, we would be furious and violent. That is what the true situation is. All nations and peoples are imperfect. The difference here is that the imperfections of, for example, Switzerland, do not result in the deaths of a million people. We should not gloss over that with shiny words and platitudes.

And I wonder why you don't have the courage to write under your own name, since you obviously have the annointed truth.

'Nothing to hide, nothing to fear'? Your speech is littered with code words, conventional wisdom and bad thinking; I don't believe its an insult to say that someone is a decent person, which I really do think you are and what I said. I am sorry that I have to conclude that you are just not a clear, objective thinker. What I have is not the 'anointed truth' but the facts. The facts in this matter are that:

1/ no one wants to hurt america.
2/ all violent acts directed against america are a reaction to our murderous and insane foreign policy.
3/ Budwiser paying for 'commercials' like the one we see here are propaganda, and should be rejected.
4/ I am not a troll, just someone who is tired of reading unchallenged nonsense.

On the last point, this blog is normally very good, and concerned with the facts about what is happening to america on many levels. Its author is concise, thoughtful, and seems to know what is really going on.

When I saw that commercial saying 'best ever' it was ME being trolled! I bit. Why? It is incongruous to have links to Arron Russo's 'Freedom to Fascism', Ron Paul, No to the NAU, and lines from the constitution and declaration of independence AND have a blatant piece of propaganda posted as something 'great'. Does my railing against this ad this mean that I am against america? Of course not. It simply means that where there is a logical inconsistency, I am bound to point it out. Like the most recent post says:

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent" - Thomas Jefferson

I cannot remain silent when I see propaganda. I describe it and its supporters and the Neocons in the most withering terms possible, which is much less than they actually deserve. This is my duty as an american who believes in the principles of the Founding Fathers, that created the best country the world has ever seen.

And they used anonymous speech by the way.

That should suffice as an explanation for my reaction, and my words and how I delivered them, not that one is needed.

Judy Aron said...

Anonymous - You seem to feel there is some sort of incongruity with my posting of this commercial as one of the best I have seen. There isn't any logical inconsistency. Let me explain why I think it is such a good commercial. It's really simple.

Our troops deserve our thanks.

I don't even mind if a brewery pays a lot of money for a commercial to do that.

In fact, when I see someone in military uniform I make a point to go over to them and thank them for their service. These are real people with real families and they sacrifice a lot to serve our country.

The fact that our military may be sent to places they don't belong is only the fault of the politicians in Washington and the moronic foreign policy that those politicians conduct.

I happen to like this commercial because it
1. Shows troops presumably coming home - which is something I'd like to see
2. Shows people thanking them for their service and giving them the respect that they truly deserve.

You might interpret this commercial in entirely different terms - and you have - but I choose to see it in very positive terms. Thanking troops for serving in my view is a good thing, and far from evil corporate propaganda.

But if the truth be told - you would be railing against everything because my friend, everything is propaganda in one way shape or form. AAron Russo's film could also be viewed as propaganda to some.

By the way, anonymous, may I ask if you've been involved in the political process at all? have you run for office? have you lobbied you elected officials face to face? have you written articles for the newspapers to educate people? what are you personally doing to try to elicit change?

I am just curious, and really not in any antagonistic way. I just want to know because you do seem to be very angry and frustrated and unless you channel that into action it doesn't really help to change the problems we face. I hope that by the things I have written about and the actions that I have personally taken, it will at least get people to think about the issues - and I am not even concerned whether they agree with me or not.

Anonymous said...

Our troops deserve our thanks.

When someone hurts you, they do not deserve your thanks. If they had refused to obey these illegal orders given at the behest of mass murderers, THEN they would deserve our thanks. Its like saying that the German army deserved the thanks of the German people in WW2, despite all the crimes they committed. We must see america from a neutral perspective; we do not live in isolation and our nation and its soldiers and citizens are not some kind of separate creature different from all other humans. Our soldiers did wrong by going into Iraq. We can wish them home, but we cannot possibly 'thank' them, any more than a bank manager should thank a bank robber for robbing a bank.

I don't even mind if a brewery pays a lot of money for a commercial to do that.

Here we have to agree to disagree. In the wider context of what is happening in america; corporations taking over the government, fomenting war for commercial purposes (the 'Military Industrial Copmplex') it is absurd, to me, to blithely ignore the source of such a film. The corporate usurpation of the usa is a gravely serious problem, and we cannot selectively ignore the pernicious influence of these people.

In fact, when I see someone in military uniform I make a point to go over to them and thank them for their service. These are real people with real families and they sacrifice a lot to serve our country.

Sadly, they are not serving our country. They are serving Haliburton, the Carlyle Group and the other corporations. By all means, google 'The Carlyle Group' to see what I am talking about.

The fact that our military may be sent to places they don't belong is only the fault of the politicians in Washington and the moronic foreign policy that those politicians conduct.

No, it is not only the fault of the politicians, and the Nuremberg trials set the case law precedents for this. Any soldier obeying illegal orders is guilty of the crimes he commits, and he cannot lay the blame on his superiors. No soldier should have gone to Iraq without a declaration of war. American soldiers swear an oath to, "...defend the American Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic." By disobeying the constitution, they are betraying their oath. By murdering innocent civilians, they cease being soldiers and enter the category of genocidal criminals. Once again, we should wish them well, and hope that they come home unscathed, but we cannot thank them for breaking their oaths, undermining the constitution, murdering innocent people and bringing the wrath of the entire earth upon our heads.

I happen to like this commercial because it
1. Shows troops presumably coming home - which is something I'd like to see
2. Shows people thanking them for their service and giving them the respect that they truly deserve.


I hold that they deserve our sympathy. Just. And you already know what I think of a Brewery propping up the war machine.

But if the truth be told - you would be railing against everything because my friend, everything is propaganda in one way shape or form. AAron Russo's film could also be viewed as propaganda to some.

Untrue. Arron Russo's film is an independent production. Anheuser-busch is a giant corporation (number 18 out of the Top 30 corporate contributors to the Republican Party 2000) that participates in the war machine and which undermines democracy and the rule of law. There is a world of difference between one man making a long educational documentary film, distributed by word of mouse, and a corporation paying millions of dollars (fiat dollars at that) to put a wordless 30 second piece of emotional manipulation in front of TV viewers.

By the way, anonymous, may I ask if you've been involved in the political process at all? have you run for office? have you lobbied you elected officials face to face? have you written articles for the newspapers to educate people? what are you personally doing to try to elicit change?

Of course you may.

I have been involved in the political process from a young age. I have never run for office, I have advocated free market policies to elected officials face to face, I have written over one million words in articles, and have had my words printed in newspapers with international circulations, read by millions of people. My words have had a direct and profound impact on areas of policy in the last twelve months.

I am just curious, and really not in any antagonistic way. I just want to know because you do seem to be very angry and frustrated and unless you channel that into action it doesn't really help to change the problems we face.

I am frustrated because I can see the greatest country on earth being flushed down the toilet. I can see happening before my very eyes, a once great people being ground into dust. As a person who loves america, and who tasted the best that country had to offer, the feeling of unlimited freedom, potential and liberty, I do not want to see it perish from the face of the earth, and I am screaming from the top of my lungs for my fellow countrymen to wake up and make it all right.

Perhaps I am not remembering america correctly, and am seeing it through rose tinted spectacles. All I know is this; America is not supposed to be the way it is now, no matter how poor my recollection of it is. We need to 'do a 180' ASAP or it will be a head on collision with oblivion.

I hope that by the things I have written about and the actions that I have personally taken, it will at least get people to think about the issues - and I am not even concerned whether they agree with me or not.

Well, that is a lie, because I have seen you sitting in the Hartford legislature passionately advocating for the rights of children other than your own, so you really DO care about people agreeing with you or not!

It is because you are so clearly a good and worthy person that I take time out to write at length here. You are a treasure, a real american, one of the last patriots and the sort of person that is going to turn our country around. Without people like you, america is totally finished. If I do not take the time to challenge your beliefs straight off the cuff, then I become a part of the problem; one of the silent facilitators of evil that Jefferson warned us about.

I still believe that our country can be saved. I believe it can be done without a shot being fired. People like you will make it happen. You are an active citizen, writing, educating, and keeping your eyes wide open. You have also unleashed the next generation of real americans, home educated children. The amount of work that you did to achieve that, the personal sacrifice is just another example of your greatness. Whatever happens, and whatever anyone says to you, including me, no one can ever say that you did not do your part, and that you are not a true american.

I only wish that there were more like you; many of our problems would never have happened were that the case.

Finally, I have to agree with you once again; don't get mad GET EVEN!

Getting mad is the first stage...

Judy Aron said...

Anonymous - Gosh I wish you'd have the guts to put your name on your comments especially if you have already written so many articles as you claim - what difference would it make if you made yourself known and attached to your comments here?
- but be that as it may.. Thanks for your comments -

In the long run here I refuse to condemn those who serve our country in uniform. In my view, they are not the problem.

Those that deserve our condemnation are those who have been elected by the unknowing masses (and yes even an increasingly doubtable voting system.) One only has to look at the hysteria going on around Obama to understand the lack of intelligence that we are dealing with in this country. They faint over empty words.

And yes, I share your concerns, because this is not the America I was brought up with.

You and I can be as passionate about these issues (and frustrated as well) but in the end people must learn for themselves. I do not seek to convince them, but to educate them enough to want to ask questions and find out for themselves.

However - we'll have to disagree here on our view of the military. Since I have known plenty of people who have served and I know their sacrifices I still maintain my position.

Finally, Halliburton and The Carlyle Group and the CFR and other entities that strive to strip our freedoms and sovereignty need to be exposed - and so I won't waste my time discussing the appropriateness of condemning or thanking our troops.

Your point has been made, I just don't happen to agree with it.

Anonymous said...

Support our troops!