Tuesday, February 3, 2009

American Detention Camps? What's This?

A while ago I found a news story about the construction of detention camps across America. I thought it was just crazy talk. But is it? Maybe so. Maybe not.

Some said these camps would be meant to hold rounded up illegal aliens. Some said it would be to house victims of terrorist attacks who might be left homeless. Some said it was in preparation for the pandemic "bird flu". Others seemed to imply that it was some diabolical scheme from our government to create some sort of "re-education camps" for when "Change" comes to America and there are protests from those who won't like the kind of "Change" being doled out.

Heaven knows we have seen all sorts of strange, and even evil, things come out of "good and decent" governments in the past.

In general, folks tend to view the notion of any government run camps as reminiscent of concentration camps in 1930's Germany. We certainly aren't immune in this country from the proposition of housing people for any particular reason, since we did have Japanese internment camps during WW2. Government camps for the purpose of "housing civilians" has always had a nasty taste to them, even if it is supposedly meant for "their own safety".

There have even been some YouTube videos taken by people who actually went to see a facility in Indiana claiming it was one of these FEMA camps. Some videos even show stacks of plastic containers claimed to be coffins. The claims made can be downright disturbing. I won't link to those because I'll leave it up to you to do some searches and decide for yourself, but it does pose some interesting questions regarding the establishment of facilities which now seem to be quite real based on the legislation being proposed.

News has come out that there actually are plans to create what are being called "emergency centers"

H. R. 645: DHS to Establish National Emergency Centers on Military Installations.

The National Emergency Centers Act or HR 645 mandates the establishment of “national emergency centers” which will be located on military installations for the purpose of to providing “temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance to individuals and families dislocated due to an emergency or major disaster,” according to the bill.

I guess they are expecting millions to become homeless and destitute when the economy continues to worsen and things really get bad. The number of job layoffs are mounting. People will have trouble paying their bills. People will become desperate. Unrest surely follows. Don't kid yourself; our government fully expects what many economists and trend analysts have been saying saying will happen if we continue to print money, kill business, tax people into oblivion, and create debt. (and yet, they continue to follow disastrous policies)

We the People are getting pretty annoyed with government bailouts (our tax dollars) being used to fund companies that continue to squander money. We are seeing very visible government officials getting away with not paying taxes, while we would be thrown in jail if a similar situation happened to us - yet all they have to do is say they are "sorry" and all is forgiven afterwards. And then there are those getting sweetheart mortgage deals, and other perks, as a result of their position in government. These Congressmen and Cabinet members are getting away with all sorts of things and pay a very small price, if any at all, when they are exposed. There is outrage on Main Street - and it isn't because of capitalism. It is because of people in power taking advantage and abusing authority.

We are already seeing protests and unrest in places experiencing economic crisis, like Iceland and France. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw similar rebellions in America if things continue to worsen. On top of that, we all know our government is also predicting some sort of horrendous "terrorist" action to befall us. Heaven knows who exactly is being categorized as a terrorist these days (maybe it is someone like me who questions these government actions!) Will people calling for the End of the Federal Reserve be deemed "terrorists"? Will people who oppose Obama's Socialism be deemed "terrorists"? Your guess is as good as mine.

Think about it - Our founders could today be considered terrorists because of the actions they took against England. People have certainly used disasters to wrest rights away from citizens in order to obtain power in the past. Roman rulers did it. Our Founders knew about that history too. That's why they believed checks and balances to be so important. But what happens when there is no opposition because of coercion? or promises of pork in legislation? or other paybacks? Where are the checks and balances then? What happens when bad legislation is disguised as something "good for the people"? What happens when Congressmen do not even have time to actually read the legislation that they are voting on?

The fact that our government might have already established these "emergency" centers and will now be authorizing it through an act of Congress is chilling on many levels. Of course the government says it is to "help people" and is just in case of some "unseen disaster".

Here is a portion of the bill:
To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to establish national emergency centers on military installations.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,


This Act may be cited as the ‘National Emergency Centers Establishment Act’.


(a) In General- In accordance with the requirements of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall establish not fewer than 6 national emergency centers on military installations.

(b) Purpose of National Emergency Centers- The purpose of a national emergency center shall be to use existing infrastructure--

(1) to provide temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance to individuals and families dislocated due to an emergency or major disaster;

(2) to provide centralized locations for the purposes of training and ensuring the coordination of Federal, State, and local first responders;

(3) to provide centralized locations to improve the coordination of preparedness, response, and recovery efforts of government, private, and not-for-profit entities and faith-based organizations; and

(4) to meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security.

The legislation seems somewhat benign on it's face. However, I always thought school gymnasiums, sports arenas and other facilities have served those purposes quite well in the past. What is it too, about the words "as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security" that I do not like? Perhaps it is the carte blanche that this office will receive with this bill, sort of like the carte blanche that the Treasury Secretary received with TARP money in the first round of "stimulus" . No accountability and no recourse from anyone.

The mere prospect that Americans could be assembled into some sort of detainment camps is now all too real.

When you factor in how people's ability to protect themselves was eliminated by the confiscation of arms in New Orleans during the aftermath of Katrina, we could very well be left unarmed as well.

The claim is that this type of legislation is for "continuity of government" and for "emergency situations" just as the signed executive orders by President Bush which spells out specific power the government can and will take during "unspecified disasters". Essentially,as many see it, President Bush, signed on May 9 2007, a directive that grants near dictatorial power to the office of the president in the event of a national emergency declared by the president.

So think about it:

- These FEMA camps -
- Executive orders which grant excessive government power -
- Elimination of Posse Comitatus -
- invitation for foreign troops into the US -
- confiscation of arms and
- a program where we must show ID cards

Add them all up and it isn't a pretty conclusion. Sounds even a lot like setting the stage for martial law to me. Or maybe it's nothing.

For whatever the reason - I can't see anything very good coming from this move by our government. Do you?

I suppose it all boils down to how much you trust your government.

And hey, it's our tax money they are using to do all of this!


Elisheva Hannah Levin said...

You said: "I suppose it all boils down to how much you trust your government."

And therein lies the rub, doesn't it? Because our Founders set up a government not based on trust, not based on men, but based on the Constitution and the Rule of Law.

But our so-called leaders do not believe that the law applies to them--witness what doesn't happen to scofflaws like Geithner and Daschle. And many of these proposals are unconstitutional.

People are getting angry. And it's worrisome.
They are piling on the taxxes so that our children will have no time to even think about what these men have done to us!

Ruth said...

I don't think it's entirely a bad idea. I think about what happened in New Orleans and all of the people who had to be relocated after that disaster. I think a facility set up for this purpose could be better than the chaos that went down in the over-filled sports facilities, or the government-provided trailers that some families lived in, which were constructed with too much formaldehyde and poisoned the children who lived in them.

It seems to me that this is the government's attempt to avoid another poor response to a large-scale domestic emergency, and is partially driven by PR reasons: our government sure looked incapable after that embarrassing incident.

Uncle Sam said...

People given a place to live, like a camp, or FEMA trailers, versus being helped to find a place to live tend to stay a lot longer then they need to on the Government's dime. Katrina proved that. People hung around the dome forever even though facilities were awful. They misused government vouchers given to them too.

Katrina was an incredible embarassment.
The fact that FEMA had poisoned trailers is whose fault? Weren't they ever inspected for poison materials? You see my point is that government can't be trusted to provide proper facilities for it's citizens (and we saw the proof of that) therefore citizens need to be able to find - and be helped to find - the proper necessities after such an incident.

Instead of building these kinds of facilities and continuing to fund them at untold millions of dollars - people would be better off being told by the government to make their own plans ahead of time as to where they could go. It's called citizen education - educating them about their personal responsibility.
Citizens are instead encouraged to rely on government to provide for them.

If there is a disaster - the last place I would go to is a government run camp. I already have disaster plans made for my family.

Judy Aron said...

Here's a web link that was sent to me

Anthony, VoteWriteIn.com Founder said...

Alex Jones has been screaming about this for 10 years now. Here are a couple related stories from the last few days:

Church Organization Refuses To Divulge If Pastors Are On FEMA Payroll

New Legislation Authorizes FEMA Camps In U.S.

Anthony, VoteWriteIn.com Founder said...

Also, check this out. Daniel Hamburg on Alex Jones TV talking about HR 645. A riveting interview!

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WFxpwCMhi4

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFzpx8poArA

Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFzpx8poArA